Fire store Rules *Urgent Help*

Hello everyone, I need your assistance please.

What started as a sweet endeavor has now turned to be a nightmare.

I have spent literally the last 12 consecutive hours, trying to fix some firestore rules that for some reason do not align. The thing is that in Firebase, the AI is not really helping me as I am saying A it says ok and then proceeds to do B.

It is really a shame as I have really tried and brought something that I make in a decent level, and I just want to see this taking form. I was really close and now everything is destroyed, I have tried 2 more times to re-make the apps logic, but always there is an issue with the Fire store Rules. Could someone really assist a brother in need (and despair… definitely despair)?

Much appreciated in advance.

What would be needed to help you more.. Current Firestore Security Rules, Description of you data structure. What are your main collections and what they look like. The query or action that you are doing that is failing. And the exact error message. —-This is what I would do in your situation. Fire store rules can be tricky. Open a chatgpt or Gemini gem and make a prompt for firestore Persona. ——-“You are a Cloud Firestore and Firebase Security Rules expert. Your responses must be accurate, concise, and focused on best practices for data modeling, queries, and robust security rules (v2) to prevent unauthorized access and ensure data integrity.”——- On Gemini Gems you can even upload your codebase from Github. This is what I would do. I would also upload your firestore rules. This will at least get you going onto the right track.

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Hello, send-me one private message, maybe I can help-u

I had the exact same thing, with errors mainly due to wrong Firestore.rules. Here is how I solved it:

The AI is stuck in an endless loop trying to fix an error (and how to solve it)

My recommendation is that you take it “outside” to ChatGPT or Gemini. The prompt should look something like this:

Here is my Firestore.rules: {copy-paste your rules here}

Here is file1: {copy-paste file1 content here, or attach the file (works better in Gemini)}

Here is file2, file3… (simply copy-paste or attach all the latest files Firebase Studio was trying to update in that session)

Describe what you wanted your app to do, and what is not working, or copy-paste the error code if any.

You should get a detailed step-by-step on how to solve it. You can take it straight to Firebase Studio as a prompt. If it is too long or complicated, and Firebase Studio struggles, feed it step-by-step, and test it.

You might need one more iteration outside of Firebase Studio using ChatGPT or Gemini, but I guarantee success! Especially with a normalized Firestore database with complex permissions, rules, and user roles.

Same here - just changed to mysql for free in a webhosting plan and implemented my own authentication rules with ai and worked fine.

Oh my, I’m sorry to hear this. I’m on the Firebase team and this is something we’re looking to improve, I’m going to send you a DM to learn more.

For me, it is specifically the firestore rules that the AI cannot seem to get right. I have used chatgpt quite a bit to augment what I am doing in Studio, but I had not thought of telling it to me a firestore rules jedi. that is excellent. I had one case, just to save a simple record in a new collection took me about 30 attempts with many rollbacks. I kept getting permission errors. At one point, it was even damaging rules for a completely different section in the firestore.rules file. Some times it does help to tell the AI that it is in a loop. Others I have had to look at the firestore collections themselves and tell the AI where the data resides in order for it to get it right.

Hello,

First, let’s take a deep breath. That is an incredibly frustrating place to be. Firestore rules are one of the most powerful, but also most precise, parts of the platform.

Your app, your logic, and all your hard work are not destroyed. You’ve just run into a mismatch between your app’s logic and the security logic. You’re right at the finish line, and this is just the last hurdle.


:thinking: Why This Can Be Challenging

It sounds like you’re running into a common challenge: security rules require perfect precision, and it can be difficult to describe complex app logic in a way that generates the exact rules you need.

The AI agent is a fantastic tool for generating rules, but for debugging why a specific query is failing, the Rules Playground in the Firebase console is your most powerful asset.

The core of the problem is always that your app’s query (e.g., db.collection("posts").get()) and your security rules (e.g., allow read: if request.auth.uid == resource.data.userId;) are not in perfect alignment. When they don’t match, your app just gets a “permission denied” error, and it’s not obvious why.

:hammer_and_wrench: How to Debug This (The Pro Method)

Let’s find the exact line that’s causing the problem.

  1. Go to your Firebase Console → Firestore Database → Rules tab.

  2. On the right, you’ll see the Rules Playground (or “Simulator”).

  3. This tool lets you simulate any request from your app to see precisely which line of your rules allows or denies it.

  4. Think about the query that’s failing in your app. For example, let’s say it’s trying to read a list of posts from a posts collection.

  5. Re-create that exact request in the simulator:

    • Simulation type: Set this to get (for a single doc) or query (for a list, like getDocs(collection(...))).

    • Location: Type the path, like /posts.

    • Authentication: This is the most important part. Toggle it ON.

    • Provider: google.com (or password, it doesn’t matter).

    • Authenticated UID: Put in a real uid from your Authentication tab (e.g., my-test-user-id).

  6. Click Run.

The simulator will give you one of two answers:

  • Green: “Simulated read allowed.”

  • Red: “Simulated read denied.”

If it’s red, it will highlight the exact line in your rules that blocked the request. This is the key! That’s the line you need to fix or adjust.


:folded_hands: How We Can Help You

You’re not in this alone. To help you, we need to see the two things that are misaligned:

  1. Your Rules: Post the relevant part of your firestore.rules file (e.g., the match /myCollection/{docId} { ... } block that’s failing).

  2. Your App Code: Post the exact query from your app (e.g., the db.collection("posts").where("userId", "==", auth.currentUser.uid).get()) that is being denied.

With those two pieces of information, we can spot the mismatch in minutes.

:light_bulb: The “Build-Up” Strategy (A Fresh Start)

If your rules have become overly complex and you’re not sure where the logic went wrong, sometimes the best approach is to start from a clean, secure foundation and build up.

Start with this (which denies all access, the most secure default):

Code snippet

rules_version = '2';
service cloud.firestore {
  match /databases/{database}/documents {
    // Deny all reads and writes by default
    match /{document=**} {
      allow read, write: if false;
    }
  }
}

Now, add one rule at a time. For example, let’s allow anyone who is signed in to read posts:

Code snippet

rules_version = '2';
service cloud.firestore {
  match /databases/{database}/documents {
    // Deny all reads and writes by default
    match /{document=**} {
      allow read, write: if false;
    }
    
    // Add this one new rule
    match /posts/{postId} {
      allow read: if request.auth != null;
    }
  }
}

Deploy it. Test it (in your app and the simulator). Does it work? Great. Now add the next rule (e.g., allow create). This “build-up” method is much safer and easier to debug than trying to fix a complex set of generated rules.

Hang in there. You are much closer than you think, and we’re here to help.

Thanks for trying to help. I think that many of us are experiencing these issues.

I tried to follow your pro instructions, and I got really confused. I do not have a Playground option in the Rules tab. I do see a Develop and Test button. When I click that I get a few options. One being Open Cloud Shell along with some tutorials. I opened the shell and it was so confusing I didn’t even really try it. It even asked me to update software when I opened it.

Before I even try to figure the shell out, I wanted to make sure that is what you were referring to by the Playground.

If you wish, I have a very simple 2 collection db. Gemini is looping trying to allow me to add a record to one of the collections. I just counted 37 attempts to try and get the security correct.

You are correct: The Cloud Shell is not what I was referring to.

The Cloud Shell is a full command-line terminal for advanced Google Cloud operations. It’s way too complicated for what we need to do.


Where to Find the “Rules Playground”

The “Rules Playground” (it’s also called the Simulator) is a visual tool built directly into the Firebase Console website. It’s not part of Firebase Studio itself, but rather the web console where you manage your project.

Let’s try this one more time, step-by-step:

  1. Go to the main Firebase website: https://console.firebase.google.com/

  2. Select your project from the list.

  3. In the left-hand “Build” menu, click on Firestore Database.

  4. At the top of the main window (next to “Data”, “Indexes”, etc.), click the “Rules” tab.

  5. You will see your firestore.rules code in an editor. On the right-hand side of that same screen, you will see a panel. This is the “Rules Playground” / “Simulator”.

It’s not a button that opens a new app; it’s a panel right there on the page that lets you simulate requests against the rules you’re editing.


Let’s Break This 37-Attempt Loop

37 attempts… wow. That is incredibly frustrating, and I’m very sorry you’re hitting that. That’s a perfect example of an “AI context loop” where the AI is no longer fixing the code; it’s trying to fix the conversation about its previous failures. It gets stuck.

You are not in this alone, and we can fix this.

You said you have a simple 2-collection DB and are just trying to add a record. This is the perfect case to fix manually and break the loop.

Let’s fix this right now. Please post two things here:

  1. Your entire firestore.rules file (since it’s for a simple 2-collection DB, it should be small enough to post).

  2. The app code that is trying to add the record (e.g., the addDoc(...) or setDoc(...) function that is being denied).

With those two pieces of code, I can give you the exact, correct rules. You can paste them in, deploy, and finally break this loop. We’ll bypass the AI for a moment and get it done right. :+1:

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i will paste the code, but first. this is what I see


'use server';

import { doc, updateDoc, arrayUnion, arrayRemove, getDoc } from 'firebase/firestore';
import { firestore } from '@/firebase/server-init';
import { revalidatePath } from 'next/cache';

/**
 * Toggles a user's vote on a suggestion.
 * @param suggestionId The ID of the suggestion to vote on.
 * @param userId The ID of the user who is voting.
 */
export async function toggleVote(
  suggestionId: string,
  userId: string
): Promise<{ error?: string } | void> {
  if (!userId) {
    return { error: 'You must be logged in to vote.' };
  }

  const suggestionRef = doc(firestore, 'suggestions', suggestionId);

  try {
    const suggestionSnap = await getDoc(suggestionRef);
    if (!suggestionSnap.exists()) {
      return { error: 'Suggestion not found.' };
    }

    const suggestionData = suggestionSnap.data();
    const hasVoted = suggestionData.votes?.includes(userId);

    await updateDoc(suggestionRef, {
      votes: hasVoted ? arrayRemove(userId) : arrayUnion(userId),
    });
    
    // Revalidate the suggestions page to show the new vote count
    revalidatePath('/suggestions');

  } catch (error) {
    console.error('Error toggling vote:', error);
    if (error instanceof Error) {
        return { error: `Server error: ${error.message}` };
    }
    return { error: 'An unknown server error occurred.' };
  }
}
rules_version = '2';
service cloud.firestore {
  match /databases/{database}/documents {

    /**
     * @description Controls access to user profile information.
     * @path /users/{userId}
     * @allow (create) User with UID 'user_abc' can create their own profile.
     * @allow (get) User with UID 'user_abc' can read their own profile.
     * @allow (update) User with UID 'user_abc' can update their own profile.
     * @allow (delete) User with UID 'user_abc' can delete their own profile.
     * @deny (create) User with UID 'user_xyz' cannot create a profile for 'user_abc'.
     * @deny (get) User with UID 'user_xyz' cannot read the profile of 'user_abc'.
     * @deny (update) User with UID 'user_xyz' cannot update the profile of 'user_abc'.
     * @deny (delete) User with UID 'user_xyz' cannot delete the profile of 'user_abc'.
     * @principle Enforces user-ownership for profile data.
     */
    match /users/{userId} {
      function isOwner(userId) {
        return request.auth.uid == userId;
      }
      function isSignedIn() {
        return request.auth != null;
      }
      allow get: if isOwner(userId);
      allow list: if false;
      allow create: if isSignedIn() && request.auth.uid == userId;
      allow update: if isOwner(userId);
      allow delete: if isOwner(userId);
    }

    /**
     * @description Controls access to user's album collection.
     * @path /users/{userId}/albums/{albumId}
     * @allow (create) User with UID 'user_abc' can create an album in their own collection.
     * @allow (get) User with UID 'user_abc' can read an album in their own collection.
     * @allow (list) User with UID 'user_abc' can list albums in their own collection.
     * @allow (update) User with UID 'user_abc' can update an album in their own collection.
     * @allow (delete) User with UID 'user_abc' can delete an album in their own collection.
     * @deny (create) User with UID 'user_xyz' cannot create an album in 'user_abc's collection.
     * @deny (get) User with UID 'user_xyz' cannot read an album from 'user_abc's collection.
     * @deny (list) User with UID 'user_xyz' cannot list albums from 'user_abc's collection.
     * @deny (update) User with UID 'user_xyz' cannot update an album in 'user_abc's collection.
     * @deny (delete) User with UID 'user_xyz' cannot delete an album in 'user_abc's collection.
     * @principle Enforces user-ownership for album data.
     */
    match /users/{userId}/albums/{albumId} {
       function isOwner(userId) {
        return request.auth.uid == userId;
      }
      function isSignedIn() {
        return request.auth != null;
      }
      allow get: if isOwner(userId);
      allow list: if false;
      allow create: if isOwner(userId);
      allow update: if isOwner(userId);
      allow delete: if isOwner(userId);
    }

    /**
     * @description Controls access to user suggestions.
     * @path /suggestions/{suggestionId}
     * @allow (get) Any user can read suggestions.
     * @allow (list) Any user can list suggestions.
     * @allow (create) Authenticated user can create suggestions.
     * @allow (update) Only the author can update their own suggestion.
     * @allow (delete) Only the author can delete their own suggestion.
     * @deny (create) Unauthenticated user cannot create suggestions.
     * @deny (update) User with UID 'user_xyz' cannot update a suggestion created by 'user_abc'.
     * @deny (delete) User with UID 'user_xyz' cannot delete a suggestion created by 'user_abc'.
     * @principle Allows public read access, enforces ownership for writes.
     */
    match /suggestions/{suggestionId} {
       function isOwner(authorId) {
        return request.auth.uid == authorId;
      }
      function isSignedIn() {
        return request.auth != null;
      }
      allow get: if true;
      allow list: if true;
      allow create: if isSignedIn();
      allow update: if isSignedIn() && resource.data.authorId == request.auth.uid;
      allow delete: if isSignedIn() && resource.data.authorId == request.auth.uid;
    }
  }
}

Could you also include the error message you’re getting, does it have any information beyond the “Missing or insufficient permissions” error?

just this

@jmorris644 The AI built your app following good practices — it catches errors and displays them as toast messages. That’s great for production, but not ideal for debugging. I’ve been there too!

The simplest workaround is to tell the AI something like this:

“On page A, I tried to do X and got this toast message: ‘Vote failed, Server error: 7 PERMISSION_DENIED…’. I can’t debug this — please make sure the app throws this error in the console so I can investigate it.”

Gemini will usually adjust the code accordingly, re-run it, and give you more details. You can even use the built-in “Fix” button afterward to quickly apply the correction.

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I ended up telling the AI to create a log file. but some of the errors seem to be unable to get recorded. I would assume the same would be true for the console messages.

I’m not sure, when throwing it to the console you get it in real time, unprocessed, raw data, you should try it, and Studio can catch it and handle it with the fix button

Before I found this community, I struggled a lot with security rules. It felt like there were no useful resources to find a solution to this problem. You need to be an experienced developer who already understands how Firestore security rules actually work.

That is a problem when you are on a “vibe coding” or AI-assisted platform. You suddenly go from “anyone can do this” to “almost nobody can do this” in just a second.

That’s why most people trying Firestore get upset and disappointed. There is a serious gap in the developer experience, if you want to know. An opportunity area! :slightly_smiling_face:

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Hey @Aggelos_Nikolopoulos :waving_hand:

I totally understand the frustration — Firestore rules can be tricky, especially when they start conflicting with your app logic. One small mismatch in your read/write conditions can cause everything to break, even if the rest of your setup looks perfect.

If you’d like, I can help you review and fix your Firestore rules so everything aligns properly again. I specialize in Firebase Studio, Firestore security, Authentication setups, and app integrations — so I can help you get things working smoothly and securely without having to rebuild from scratch.

You can reach me here or starblackmedia@gmail.com if you’d like me to take a quick look and help you sort it out.

— Sunny :rocket:
Firebase Studio & Full-Stack Developer